The speakers discuss the importance of vulnerability and authenticity in expressing gratitude and its impact on thankfulness. The speakers share personal experiences of struggling to express gratitude without it being perceived as insincere. They also discuss the tendency to be critical rather than thankful and the need to create a safe and vulnerable environment. The importance of self-evaluation, good criticism, and reflecting on the goodness of God is emphasized. The speakers conclude that vulnerability and gratitude are acts of obedience and a shift in perspective.
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[00:00:09.90] - Gregg Garner
Alright. We're back, and we are continuing our sermon podcast series for the church community for God. And this last month's value was Thanksgiving. And here with us are two of the four preachers That gave us sermons on Thanksgiving, miss Ashley Moore and mister Derek Bargatze
[00:00:30.39] - Derek Bargatze
Hello. Hello.
[00:00:31.00] - Gregg Garner
And, of course, you got mister Mitchell Buchanan on the co hosting. Nice.
[00:00:36.10] - Mitchel Buchannan
That's maybe that's my thing.
[00:00:37.39] - Derek Bargatze
I bet the snap is soundcheck.
[00:00:39.70] - Gregg Garner
So, we're just gonna jump right in, And we're gonna hear from Ashley and then from Derek, a little summary on, their sermons and what points they wanted to get across to us. And then Mitchell will kick us off with a question Ashley.
[00:00:51.89] - Ashley Moore
Yeah. So I got to speak from Psalm nine, which I introed and just was excited to talk from the Psalms because I really think that I think you're looking at a book and you're like, I need to I need to ex talk to somebody that's Experiencing all the things that we go through as humans, I think Psalms is a great great point of departure for that, because they're experiencing, you know, travesty, just really tough things. And I think the thing that I was talking about, I was like, but the resolve is throughout the songs, like, the consistent is I'm gonna give thanks to God. And in that, the passage that I got to go over was, well, it was a verse, verse, Psalm nine one, and it was just talking about recounting, Remembering and recounting all the wonderful deeds that God's done. And I think for me, what I really wanna get across is that, You know, in light of Psalms, in light of the things that they were dealing with, at that time, that that gratitude, remembering what God's done can help reorient us to, You know, face our present reality, whatever that looks like for us, whether that's wonderful, like a really great mountain high or, like, a valley low. And so I think I think that was it.
[00:01:58.79] - Gregg Garner
Yeah. Thanks, Ash. Yeah. That's great. Derek.
[00:02:01.70] - Derek Bargatze
That was really good, Ashley.
[00:02:04.79] - Mitchel Buchannan
Derek would like to say how thankful he is for Ashley's summary.
[00:02:09.09] - Gregg Garner
help you out here, bro.
[00:02:10.00] - Derek Bargatze
Thanks. Thanks.
[00:02:12.50] - Mitchel Buchannan
Ashley need to talk more into the mic, or is that good? Sweet.
[00:02:16.40] - Derek Bargatze
Mic check. Mic check. Yeah. You're a great Ash.
[00:02:18.69] - Ashley Moore
thanks, guys.
[00:02:19.30] - Derek Bargatze
Mine was 01:07 one. Give thanks to the Lord for he is good. His love endures forever. And, I I was thinking about it because Thanksgiving, it's what I said at the beginning of my sermon When I said that telling adults to be thankful felt like and my wife tells me to use essential oils. Yeah. It just seemed like, something we hear constantly.
[00:02:47.30] - Ashley Moore
Yeah.
[00:02:47.59] - Derek Bargatze
So I was think I was just trying As I was, like, praying through and thinking even through, you know, Thanksgiving in my own life, that's when I brought up those examples that I do think it's a grounding effort. I think that Yeah. We can recognize that God is so good to listen to the cries that we have Mhmm. That That God is so good to hear us. It's not ignorant. Being thankful doesn't mean we have to ignore reality. Yeah. But instead to be able to, embrace that even with one another, to listen to a friend, And then be that goodness. Be the goodness of God Yeah. By listening to someone who's dealing with something. And then that friend can tell God, thank you for Mitchell for being there today. And then that can really ground you to see that there's goodness of god around us. It's just sometimes our Criteria for it is not met. So then we assume God's not good, and we don't have anything to be thankful for. And That's yeah. I I think that was about it when I was trying to get the gist of it.
[00:03:52.40] - Mitchel Buchannan
That's awesome. One of the questions I had, which even I was the, announcement person for Ashley, I was like, she's one of the most genuine people I know, which It's a thousand percent true. But Yeah.
[00:04:05.90] - Derek Bargatze
You guys have known each other for a long time.
[00:04:08.50] - Ashley Moore
A really long time.
[00:04:09.30] - Derek Bargatze
Yeah. People should people need to know there's history.
[00:04:11.19] - Mitchel Buchannan
They're tuning in to this podcast to hear that history
[00:04:13.69] - Derek Bargatze
At least five seconds of the history. Like
[00:04:17.50] - Ashley Moore
K, guys. We dated.
[00:04:18.39] - Derek Bargatze
You didn't meet, like, two years ago.
[00:04:22.00] - Mitchel Buchannan
Oh, there's history. No. What I was gonna say is I think both your sermons highlighted that It's super easy to just, like, fire off a thank you, which happens a zillion it happens more than we even know, like, every day. Like, cashiers or, like, With my kids, just do the smallest thing. I'm like, oh, thanks. But I think something you both highlighted is just, like, vulnerability and what we bring to that where it's like, I think we there's so much to be thankful for in an if we wanna, like, go beyond surface level and actually, like, dig into, like, How God's worked in us and reflect on our story, reflect on how God's using you brought up a story, you know, of Greg, you know, ministering with you. Like, It's really vulnerable situations that you all are even, like, bringing up to, like, in your sermons, which I think was awesome, and I think is, something that I want us to get better at, and it it feels like this is, you know, my presupposition, which you all can kinda reflect on and and play with. But When we were a smaller community, I think it was easier to be vulnerable, which I think is just logical. Like, hey. There's fewer people. I know all them pretty well. I they kinda know my mess. I know theirs. I can be vulnerable in what's going on. I think as we've grown as a church, just the sheer numbers, it gets Harder, and I think we're more naturally, like, wanna conceal that vulnerability where it's like, hey. I don't know everyone's perspectives here. I don't know if it's, like, safe to kind of open up. Mhmm. But I think even that thankfulness is just so it, like, explodes when we're able to be that vulnerable. You know? So, like, what are ways do you think As a church community, we can make sure everyone feels safe to, like, expose vulnerability and, like, pushing towards, like, hey. I wanna Truly be thankful. And I think to do that, it requires, I think, opening up beyond just like, hey. Thanks for being you, man. Or like
[00:06:12.80] - Gregg Garner
saying that Gratitude is an act of vulnerability?
[00:06:17.10] - Mitchel Buchannan
I think it I think that's definitely I mean
[00:06:19.30] - Gregg Garner
Or are you saying that's, like, how you measure its authenticity?
[00:06:21.69] - Derek Bargatze
Yeah. A good question.
[00:06:23.00] - Mitchel Buchannan
I think there's a level there's levels. There's levels. Because it doesn't mean I'm not thankful that you open the door for me. I really am. But it's like, I think Really going to the depths of how thankful that we should be to our brothers and sisters. Like, Ashley testified, like, one of her greatest joys is is, like, Reflecting on her friends in the room that have, like, grown and that God is utilized to do great things, even minister to you. And it's like, You you don't get that type of, like, I think gratitude and even that that moment with one another unless you are vulnerable and, like, willing to, I think, kind of expose that. So I think what I'm saying is kind of both that it's like, hey. How can we be? How can we show gratitude? And I think the most qualitative way, like, how can we, like, really the most impactful Thanksgiving, I think, comes from, like, hey. This is Where I'm at, this is who I am. I'm so thankful that you were there for me. I'm so thankful, like, you helped me.
[00:07:17.39] - Derek Bargatze
Yeah.
[00:07:17.69] - Mitchel Buchannan
Does that make sense?
[00:07:19.00] - Gregg Garner
Yeah. Yeah. No. I I think it's good. It does sound like you are saying that, vulnerability determines a level of Impact with respect to the quality of the Thanksgiving.
[00:07:35.50] - Mitchel Buchannan
Yeah. I think, yeah, I think vulnerability. You said, authenticity. I think that would go hand in hand of, like Okay. And I think if if you're not being vulnerable, if you are just like, hey.
[00:07:45.19] - Gregg Garner
if you're just short on time?
[00:07:47.30] - Mitchel Buchannan
I mean, time and chance happens to us all. It's not as if we all have time to, like, unfold Or unfurl our story in, like, you know, a three hour thing. I think we can I don't know? I I'm talking a lot. I I
[00:08:02.10] - Gregg Garner
I I think I think it's good that that you're talking. I know that Ashley's verse had a lot to do with us, recounting what it was that God has done.
[00:08:09.00] - Mitchel Buchannan
Right.
[00:08:09.50] - Gregg Garner
And so the gratitude that we have for others should be on the other side of recognizing how God has used others, which ties into what Derek was talking about with someone embodying the goodness This of God for us. but it it it seems that, our our measure of that act is is definitely related to even how someone makes it, a point to do so. So if I'm just like, hey. Thanks for holding the door for me. Yeah. That that that's that's kind. That's good. Yeah. I'm not sure I'll remember that later Right. Or tomorrow. But, like, hey. Thanks for opening the door for me. And, you know, I I just I know that God's used you to open a lot more than doors for me and Really appreciate I like, you're it sounds like you're saying there there's, like, a spectrum of Thanksgiving in terms of, like, maybe something that's More memorable than not memorable for talking about recounting the deeds Yeah. That comes on the other side of an intentional act . Where, some level of vulnerability is required. Yeah. And that vulnerability must be authentic for it to be effective.
[00:09:14.50] - Mitchel Buchannan
Yeah.
[00:09:14.70] - Gregg Garner
Like, if I if I if I said that to her and she's never done anything for me, that's like Like,
[00:09:19.60] - Derek Bargatze
Well, That's weird.
[00:09:22.10] - Gregg Garner
you know. But as Christians, she might say it's all God. No. I don't know.
[00:09:24.79] - Mitchel Buchannan
I was gonna say you could just think, oh, he that's just their personality. They're always just thanking people. They're, like, overly nice kinda thing.
[00:09:33.60] - Gregg Garner
dude, that that's happened to me. I've I've been I've I've had it where people, made me feel like I was being insincere by by being grateful or something. It made me Self conscious. I'm like, man, I don't people have a hard
[00:09:45.39] - Ashley Moore
people have a hard time receiving it. They're like, woah. I don't
[00:09:49.60] - Derek Bargatze
Yeah. Yeah.
[00:09:50.10] - Ashley Moore
that was extra. You know? Like, Well, it was a lot.
[00:09:52.20] - Derek Bargatze
that might be where the all god comes from. Like, just get it let let's stop this. Let's stop this. It's all god. Just give it to god, and then we'll keep walking like normal people. Like, don't don't say something kind. Don't don't make me feel better.
[00:10:04.79] - Gregg Garner
Don't yeah. Don't think I'm prideful all of a sudden because I enjoyed this compliment.
[00:10:10.00] - Mitchel Buchannan
Yeah.
[00:10:10.50] - Derek Bargatze
that's in my background, I Thousand percent would think that.
[00:10:15.89] - Gregg Garner
It it is interesting, Like, you can give someone or or be a vessel for God to demonstrate some authentic form of thanksgiving And the other person Only hear it in terms of, something that's, puffing them up or
[00:10:30.60] - Derek Bargatze
Yeah.
[00:10:31.10] - Gregg Garner
You're trying to get in good with them
[00:10:33.20] - Mitchel Buchannan
Yeah.
[00:10:33.50] - Gregg Garner
Like, as a ploy . That makes it tough Yeah. To even feel like you couldn't Be brave enough to do it because you nobody wants to be seen as implementing some kind of ploy to win over someone's .
[00:10:46.70] - Derek Bargatze
Now everybody's leaving this interaction just evaluating themselves, and it was supposed to be an uplifting moment. But now you're like, Am I prideful? Was I just trying to, and then the other person thinking the same? Like, oh, god. Go hoping i didn't take god's glory away. Like
[00:11:02.20] - Ashley Moore
Yeah. I think it's a I'm I've been trying to think about it since I was preaching and just, you know, thinking about this podcast. And, I had an experience, like, a couple weeks ago. We have a I have a, you know, mom friend group. We're not, like, tiny kids or whatever, and we're just all, like, in the In the trenches, I feel like. But,
[00:11:19.50] - Derek Bargatze
the trenches. I love that.
[00:11:20.70] - Ashley Moore
a it's a good war, but it's it's a war. Daily battle. No. But I had a friend that was just like, I'm not feeling well.
[00:11:36.10] - Derek Bargatze
Mhmm.
[00:11:36.29] - Ashley Moore
I'm feeling very sick just, like, dealing with some just chronic issues and, you know, just, like, this is my moment. You know? And we're trying to encourage Yeah. And I think the thing that I was just trying to remind her of is, like, I've seen God's hand in your life. Like, I've seen where God delivered you from this. I've seen where he's always been faithful to you in this specific way, you know, just to, like, try to say because I was trying to push her towards . Not that not that it was bad that she was expressing. I was like, thank you for this vulnerability. You know? It was all very authentic. Like, I'm happy that you're letting us into this Part of your life because that's that's a vulnerable spot to be in to say Yeah. I don't feel like I'm doing well at being a mom because I'm not feeling good or I'm, you know, struggling this way. But, you know, my goal was just to say, but I know God's gonna bring you through this, and we're gonna be there to help You walk through it.
[00:12:26.00] - Derek Bargatze
Yeah.
[00:12:26.29] - Ashley Moore
You know, because I've seen How has faithfulness has carried you through in the past? You know? So I think I think for me, like, compliments is you know, compliments are one thing and, like, that General, like, yeah. It's good to see you, man. Like, thanks for doing this for me or whatever. Like, it can go deeper. I think that's maybe the authenticity you're talking about where it's, like, Recounting brings us back to, like, these authentic moments where God's done something life changing for us.
[00:12:50.79] - Gregg Garner
In your example, your friend, brought the initiative to be vulnerable Right. And to share something. So you were being responsive. Right? But what about in those situations where you want to practice the recounting of the good things God's done and the other you're the one actually That is starting the Thanksgiving out. Right? Because I think that's what we've been talking about.
[00:13:13.39] - Ashley Moore
Mhmm.
[00:13:13.89] - Gregg Garner
Because I I I totally get what you're saying. It I think It it is it is wonderful, and it goes with our previous podcast where it's wonderful when someone can, be vulnerable and know where they're at, Right. What's going on with them? And then you can minister with helping them to recount those things. But with with these verses in particular, it's like the initiative seems to be on The party that Right. That is going to Right. Give the Thanksgiving. Yeah. You know? So, like, and, Mitchell, you were saying you wanna see more of that In our community at large, like, in your mind, how does that happen? To where it doesn't just sound like everybody's in inauthentic. Because it feels like it could get like that real quick.
[00:13:55.89] - Derek Bargatze
Right. I agree.
[00:13:56.79] - Gregg Garner
I think we're just we're just so critical these days. Anytime anyone says anything positive Yeah.
[00:14:00.70] - Ashley Moore
It drives me nuts.
[00:14:02.39] - Derek Bargatze
What what does what does?
[00:14:03.89] - Ashley Moore
Just it drives me nuts, bro.
[00:14:07.70] - Gregg Garner
Wow.
[00:14:08.79] - Ashley Moore
It's In the trenches. In the trenches.
[00:14:12.20] - Mitchel Buchannan
She lives in the trenches.
[00:14:13.79] - Ashley Moore
Oh my gosh. No. I think that, like, for me, it's just And I don't always do a good job, but I'll be the first to say, like, I'm not trying to be like, I do this so well all the time, but I think it's much easier. I think sometimes we find ourselves to be it's easier to be critical than to be thankful outwardly.
[00:14:33.20] - Gregg Garner
Yeah. Yeah.
[00:14:33.50] - Ashley Moore
Yeah. Like, just as an individual, like, I am thankful That I'm doing this today. You know? I I know it gets lame. It's like, I get to go to work, but it's like, I I do get to go to work. Like, I get to I get to do this Service, you know, to other people or you know? I I I prayed to have kids. You know? I I get to do this no matter I mean, it is challenging. I answer the toxic positivity Talk would come in or whatever, but it is challenging, but, like, let's be grateful. Let's be grateful for certain programs that we're doing. You know? Like, I love that the Children's ministry is back. Like, that's a blessing to me. Right. I should be thankful for that. I should be hourly thank thanking god for it. You know? But I think it's easier to sometimes it feels easier to say, well, this is wrong with it.
[00:15:16.89] - Gregg Garner
Do you think that's that's, like, universal to a lot of Christian communities That people take a critical approach to what's happening in life, or do you think that's more unique to communities similar to us that that, value, like, a critical approach to scripture? You know, we we implement critical readings when we're taught to read the Bible. And so we develop this apparatus in us that are hermeneutic that looks at something and says, what's really going on here?
[00:15:42.10] - Mitchel Buchannan
Right.
[00:15:42.39] - Gregg Garner
Do you think that there that the development of that lens Is is now, like, we keep those glasses on when we're not reading the text, then we start reading each other. And do or do you think it's universal? Like, everybody does this. I'm I'm not sure. I'm so insulated.
[00:15:58.70] - Mitchel Buchannan
feels Well, I think I think a lot of church members, Like you're saying, have that hermeneutic where they are reading critically, and they're wanting to think critically about our world. And then I think Something is that a lot of church members come with they feel like they have an investment in what we're doing. I think maybe churches at large Have a lot of people just like, oh, you know, kind of like flowing through. It's like, oh, they're doing children's stuff. That's great. Or, like, oh, they decided to do this. Like, right on. Because they're just kind of They're not grounded in there. They're not, like, invested. They're just there. Mhmm. I think maybe a lot of our church members that they feel that they have, like, Such a such a strong investment that they're like, hey. Their criticisms are from, like, hey. I wanted I wanted be involved in this, or I had an opinion on this. And I think it's a matter of, like when I was saying vulnerability, just like being able to be yourself or, like, to voice, like, what's going on. Like, Even if you are critical and it's like, hey. You have a choice to, I think, be thankful and recognize what God's doing at work. But let's just say you have, like, These questions that you don't feel resolved, you have a critical, like, eye. It's like being able to voice those in some forum or to address them in a way where you're not just, like, Papering over. Hey. I'll have, like, the thankful exterior because I can do the niceties, but it's like I I feel unresolved. It's like, well, we should just I think having a vulnerability where it's like, hey. I have a question. Why is this this way? Or, like, hey. Can we meet to talk about this? I think that can produce a thankfulness even for all parties. Like, hey. I'm thankful you were able to share because I didn't know you're in turmoil. It's like, oh, I'm thankful I could voice my opinion because I was kinda trapped in just my critical nature.
[00:17:40.79] - Mitchel Buchannan
And it's like that's really all I'm, you know, left with if I'm not able to voice it. Yeah. I think it was more along those lines where it's like, hey. If we can push for vulnerability where people feel safe because we It is a choice. It is an action to be thankful, and I think we we all recognize, like, yeah, we should be a thankful people.
[00:17:58.40] - Mitchel Buchannan
And I think if we're kind of in in In a setting where we can't be ourselves, we're eventually gonna come to a place where it's like, well, I don't know if I can share this or that. Yeah. And thankfulness is harder to access. It's harder to, like, manifest if we are, I think, trapping ourselves, trapping our either our true thoughts or just like, I can't be free. You know, I I think it was we I I I feel like we have those members in our church where it's like, hey. They were more free in the past Then they are now. Maybe it's just the intimidation of
[00:18:32.90] - Gregg Garner
And by free you mean, Free to share, free to be vulnerable, free to criticize, free to what?
[00:18:37.90] - Mitchel Buchannan
Yes. I think maybe all those things, free to engage. I think maybe some people are you know, as I
[00:18:45.00] - Gregg Garner
I think sometimes people are like, I don't feel free, And then what they wanna be free to do is criticize. Sure. So then they find the people that they're free with to criticize alongside of. Mhmm. And it seems like these texts In particular, that we're looking at are trying to, like, reprogram those neural pathways that we've created Yeah. That are just, like, now habits. We even feel good. Just and it's just the easy road to travel. But, like, these texts are kinda disruptive. Like, even when I was thinking about the question I asked, is this universal, or is it or is it particular? It's probably universal considering these Psalms are for everybody. For everybody. Yeah. Like, everybody probably has some level of this where God's, like, having to intervene through these psalmist and say, you guys need to reprogram the way your mind works. You need to move towards gratitude Because, I I mean, even Jesus, you know, don't judge lest you yourself be judged.
[00:19:33.20] - Derek Bargatze
Right. Yeah.
[00:19:33.90] - Gregg Garner
Like, to to start with that kind of advice Puts us in a position where ultimately he says, it's only on the other side of self evaluation that you can see clearly as to help Your brother. And I think sometimes the difference between good criticism and bad criticism is that there's a criticism that, makes people over there and us over here, and then there's a criticism that says, hey. I wanna help make this better. Yeah. I wanna help help us be better. And it it seems that with these texts, we're looking at, two things, the good things God's done and the the the goodness of God himself. Mhmm. The goodness of God himself. Good. Thanks to the Lord for he's good. Yeah. Goodness of God himself and all the good things that God does. Yeah. And if if we can make that our reflex.
[00:20:19.79] - Derek Bargatze
Right.
[00:20:20.70] - Gregg Garner
I think things would be different, and I I I don't think that's the case for me. I don't think that's my reflex, is to reflex on all the good things God's done And all of the, the goodness of who God is right now. So when I hear you say in the past, people have more freedom, I would say in the past for me, That may have been more of my reflex, but I I, just as a result of time and And just the human experience, which I do think is universal, challenges emerge, and we we experience, This whatever it is that we're going through that seems to limit the scope of that freedom. Mhmm. And so when I'm hearing you talk about In the past, people felt, freer. I'm just I'm wondering how how because we don't wanna go back.
[00:21:10.70] - Mitchel Buchannan
Right. not
[00:21:12.90] - Mitchel Buchannan
not even feasible. It's like, oh, we're gonna
[00:21:15.20] - Gregg Garner
But a lot of people talk like that. Wish we could go back to what it was and if we were smaller, if this happened, if it if we wouldnt't have made this decisions... But life is lived forward Not backwards, and and God wants to be in the present. Mhmm. So with where we're at right now, How do we break free from the confinement that's or the confining restraints Of that sense of a lack of freedom to be thankful. Because it sounds like that's what you're saying.
[00:21:42.50] - Mitchel Buchannan
I'm I think I'm saying vulnerability. Like, be thank like, vulnerability directly leads to thankfulness. Like, if I am open, if I am, like, broken
[00:21:49.50] - Gregg Garner
through What if your vulnerability is critical?
[00:21:53.50] - Mitchel Buchannan
I think it's remedied by being able to voice that. So if I am critical in in a vulnerable, say, hey. I don't know what's going on.
[00:21:59.50] - Gregg Garner
Say I'm at a group of friends. We're in accountability group, and I'm like, man, I just wanna let you guys know I was super hurt by Derek. Like, he said things to me that I never heard anyone say in my life, and I cried about it. Like, in the shower, the next three days, I, like, talked to my therapist. Like, I I I seriously went on a tailspin. Thanks, guys, for letting me get that off my desk. You know? Now you got people in the the room who are like Derek is a monster. He's really And so so I I don't know if that vulnerability has culminated in what these texts are talking about. But are you saying that's, like, a first step? Is that the real freedom? Is it the freedom for me to share about my pain, or is the the freedom because at that point, I think I'd advise the person, hey. Who is Derek to you? Well, he used to be my friend. Oh, come on. Let's remember him. Used to be. He had one moment.
[00:22:53.70] - Mitchel Buchannan
Right.
[00:22:53.90] - Gregg Garner
Like, let's remember all of the ways in which God's used Derek in your life. Well, he's always cheered me up. He he actually performed our wedding. He right. They go through all these things, and you're like, okay. Like, look at all the ways in which God's used them. And and do you believe he's a brother in Christ? Yeah. I do. So he's a child of God, and he's he's your brother, and God is good. And a good tree can't bear bad fruit. Is he on God's vine or not? Well, yeah, then he's a good guy. Let's remember that. Let's work this out. Like
[00:23:19.79] - Derek Bargatze
Right.
[00:23:20.20] - Gregg Garner
I I think the the vulnerability could be a starting point.
[00:23:23.29] - Mitchel Buchannan
Right. I'm I'm saying, yeah, you need you need that to get your thankfulness if you're... that's what
[00:23:27.79] - Gregg Garner
that's what I'm saying. Gotcha. Gotcha. So you're saying that when the person opens up and is vulnerable, We can now help them to reorient those those neuropathways away from the that toxic negativity.
[00:23:39.90] - Derek Bargatze
Yeah. As a as a really as an obedient act. Yeah. Because that's what this would be, these giving because I like what you're getting at because That's super true. The beginning of even 01:07 is give thanks. That's a Mhmm. That's a you do this. Mhmm. Not a, upon vulnerability, you do this. Is you know what I'm saying?
[00:23:57.59] - Gregg Garner
Not Triggered by that yeah.
[00:23:58.09] - Derek Bargatze
it's more of an act of obedience Yeah. To say my I I need to shift my perspective. I need to shift to whatever God's wanting me to see.
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