Mitchell Buchanan and Jason Carpenter discuss the sermon on resurrection from Hosea, emphasizing the importance of knowing and obeying God's word and the communal aspect of experiencing resurrection. They reflect on the challenges of faith and the disconnect in American Christianity regarding the transformative power of resurrection. The conversation also touches on themes of forgiveness, hope, and faith in the face of loss and grief, highlighting the need for community support and grounding in God's word. Overall, the speakers stress the importance of supporting each other through difficult times, finding hope in dark times through faith and meaningful discussions.
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[00:00:09.75] - Mitchell Buchanan
Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to the Sermon podcast. My name is Mitchell Buchanan. This is for the community church for God. We're here with Jason Carpenter.
[00:00:21.19] - Jason Carpenter
who is awesome. And we were just talking about his sermon, Phil. So emotional at the end, and I didn't share with you. John Edmondson was like, the next day at work. So Sunday, it was like Monday, he was like, after Jason's sermon, I just went home. He said he just went home and just had to sit with it. He's just like, I just gotta sit down. Like, went home and just, like, basically sat and just, like, thought through it and, like, processed for, like 20 minutes. That's odd. That's like a testimony of, like, what a good sermon should make you do. So. But we'll hop in here. Jason talked through our sermon series on resurrection and had a scripture from Hosea. So just like we always do, we want to give kind of insight or where Jason was coming from with the sermon and then chat through the scripture. So if you want to kind of say what scripture you had and then a couple of your main points, and we'll kind of go from there.
[00:01:12.39] - Jason Carpenter
Yeah, so I worked out of Hosea, chapter six, one through three. Go ahead and read it.
[00:01:18.65] - Mitchell Buchanan
Yeah, man.
[00:01:20.20] - Jason Carpenter
Verse one. Come, let us return to the Lord. For it is he who has torn and he will heal us. He has struck down and he will bind us up. After two days, he will revive us. On the third day, he will raise us up, that we may live before him. Let us know. Let us press on to know the Lord. His appearing is as sure as the dawn. He will come to us like the showers, like the spring rains that water the earth. So, yeah, I think probably if I were to boil down to a couple points I was trying to make, one would be that to experience resurrection and to get access to the resurrection power that comes from God, you have to be a person who knows and obeys the word. And I think that's probably a basic argument I make in every sermon I preach. On some level, it sounds pretty basic if you just say it, but I think it's very profound, and the implications are, like, immense. So that was probably one of my main points. And then my other point I was trying to drive home is that while resurrection is something that you can experience as an individual, it extends beyond that, and particularly in the context of the story of Israel and specifically in Hosea, there is a communal aspect to experiencing resurrection, as indicated by the experience of Israel in the book of Hosea. Yeah, so those are kind of like the two broad points I was trying to make, and then I obviously got into some of the details in the sermon.
[00:02:54.06] - Mitchell Buchanan
Yeah, yeah. And I think even those, like, even just you recapping them, those have an interplay where, you know, we, our experience, we came here and learned the word of God together, you know, so where it's like, it's not. You don't experience, you know, resurrection. Only individual like, this is only present to us in the inclusive where it's like, hey, this is you and other people. And then, you know, your first tenant of, like, to experience resurrection, you have to be someone who, like, knows the word and lives it out. It's like, yeah, can you even do that as like, a single person? It's like, that's so hard.
[00:03:29.11] - Jason Carpenter
Right.
[00:03:30.05] - Mitchell Buchanan
And I think just in our culture or our society, everything is foremost catered to an individual. Right, right. So then it's like, hey, do I want to do this or that? Or like, what are my interests? And so I think particularly, you know, compared to biblical times, where it's like the. So many of the sermons, this series, Greg's on Luke seven, where it's like the location of, like, out of the town, and then there's all these people together where there's so many elements of a collective in the scriptures, you know, for sure of, like, this is done with other people and you're experiencing death with other people. And so on the flip side, like, to learn the word of God, it's like, naturally it's done in, you know, in synagogues and gatherings where it's like, there's a reading, you're doing it together, where, you know, our day, someone could be listening to this podcast and it's like, hey, this is my spiritual enrichment during work, during my service. I'm not, we want all the listens, I think, content. But I think at the same time, if we're reducing our spiritual experience to be an individual endeavor where it's like we're accessing those digital assets when and where we want, and it's like, oh, I know the word of God. I'm being fed. I listen to this, this, and I'm like, studying this and it's like, this has to be done with others.
[00:04:51.30] - Jason Carpenter
Yeah. And that's why I brought up the story of, like, getting accidentally saved by the powerteam.
[00:04:56.67] - Mitchell Buchanan
I watched. I watched 30 minutes of power team content in the last.
[00:05:01.68] - Jason Carpenter
I actually went back to YouTube after I preached. I was like, man, is there much content? There's some decent content.
[00:05:07.73] - Mitchell Buchanan
They were given, they were testifying dude, they did their.
[00:05:10.95] - Jason Carpenter
They did, man. They were given gospel, dude. Yeah. And I brought that up. It is a funny story, but it's also kind of sad because it's like our relationship with God and with each other can be boiled down to say this prayer. As long as you say the words right, you'll come back to life after you die. Like, if that's all there is, a resurrection, then I don't even know why I've done the rest of my life after that.
[00:05:35.75] - Mitchell Buchanan
Like, even your story, you're like, raise your hand. And you were like, all crap. Yeah, I was like, I'm caught.
[00:05:42.39] - Jason Carpenter
Yeah, you go down there, and then.
[00:05:44.22] - Mitchell Buchanan
The way you retold it was that you said the prayer, and you're like, yeah, I'm here. I'm gonna be saying it. And that everyone at your. The church was reacting like, oh, this is awesome. Then you have no idea, you know, what happened, which is, which is crazy. And what you're saying is like, that most people would attribute that moment to have, like, a resurrection power. Like, hey, you're no longer subject to, like, the death of the spirit.
[00:06:07.01] - Jason Carpenter
I need to get baptized.
[00:06:08.33] - Mitchell Buchanan
You're raised. You know, like we say at a baptism, raise the walk in the newness of life. And it's like the fact that there could be such a disconnect because, yeah, churches, you know, I think just believers overall, American Christianity attributes, hey, this. This prayer, this recitation has a power to it where you experience. And you're like, what are we freaking out about?
[00:06:29.29] - Jason Carpenter
I mean, and I don't want to belittle those experiences because people, obviously, it impacted me on a certain level. And then other people, like, God can use those things so, like, change their lives.
[00:06:39.83] - Mitchell Buchanan
And I don't, I don't think even bringing up. It's not belittling. I think it's. It really is because I had a moment like that where I had, you know, said the prayer, but that it does establish, like, a faith tradition. I think it's just the disconnect that, like, people who are saying the prayer and maybe expectations of those, you know, on the other side that you never, I don't think you ever see that type of disconnect, even in the word of God where it's like, the scriptures went through, like, Luke seven, like, that moment of, like, resurrection, where it's like, there's no disconnect there. Like, everyone's together and even, like, experiencing this together where it's like, the fact that I think it's, it is. I'm trying to think of the best way to describe it. But it's kind of like sobering that our elements of American Christianity can have this resurrection esteemed moment where it's like, at the end of it, after the end of this prayer, which is supposed to be life changing, it's like there can be a disconnect with what people's experiences are. We don't see that in Hosea. Even what you're talking about. It's so visceral of, like, we've been torn, like we're broken, and it's like we're expecting God to mend us. And it's like, that's such a visceral experience where it's like that type of, if this is the resurrection Hosea's talking about, I'm like, hey, from exile. Like, we're absolutely in tatters. Like, we have to have you. We're experiencing this thing in exile. Like, we're experiencing all this trauma, all this even, like, neglect, all this hardships.
[00:08:14.06] - Jason Carpenter
Right?
[00:08:14.77] - Mitchell Buchanan
They need the Lord. And it's like, there's no disconnect in what that resurrection would be. And it's like, I think on one level, it probably speaks to how we have tamed what, you know, what. How the power of resurrection should, you know, be enacted in our lives as just american christians. And I think probably underestimating what God can do in the moment, you know?
[00:08:37.64] - Jason Carpenter
Absolutely, Mandy. And I think that's if you. I've really had to contend with that in Hosea because it's like, obviously, Hosea has this very personal story in the book with his wife and his children that parallels what's happening on a communal stage with Israel itself. But you can't read Hosea and be like, yeah, this is about my individualistic salvation because it's not like Hosea himself as an individual got exiled.
[00:09:08.07] - Mitchell Buchanan
The people got exiled, or even a step between that Greg brought up in Luke seven. This is a restoration of families. Hosea is a family. This is my wife. These are my children. And it's like, so even on the level of the story, it's like, it's more than an individual. Like, I'm gonna get myself. I wanna get my resurrection. You know? It's like, no, this is about a family. And then it's like, the broader implications of, like, who's represented and what this story is about.
[00:09:34.49] - Jason Carpenter
Yeah. And something I was really blessed by and challenged by in preparing for the sermon is like, the book really gets into the nitty gritty of, like, the challenges of the suffering. And, like, the challenges you experience in life of loss and, like, faithlessness between, like, hosea and Gomer and then between Yahweh and Israel, and it's like, dude, it's not, like, an easy solution. Like, yeah, dude, just come on back. Everything's cool. Like, no, it's complicated, Mandy. So I think I felt personally, like, man, I need to contend with that tension because I know in my own life I've experienced the complications of, like, loss. Feeling a loss of, like, hope or, like, man, the belief that I had ten years ago feels different now. Like, maybe just in some ways because I'm a human and I'm going through normal human stuff.
[00:10:23.67] - Mitchell Buchanan
Right.
[00:10:24.33] - Jason Carpenter
But does that change what God wants to do with my life and with our community? I don't think so. So what does that mean? Like, you gotta actually contend with that. So that's why I felt. I felt like it was a challenging scripture, for sure. I think I prefer to preach on scriptures that are, like, kind of jab at me a little bit. Cause I'm like, all right, I'm gonna have to be vulnerable, you know, and be like, I actually had to contend with this. I'm not just transferring information or knowledge.
[00:10:52.52] - Mitchell Buchanan
Right. And the jab is even. Yeah, I'm just processing. What you're saying is that it can be easy to glide past or it's easy to read in Hosea.
[00:11:07.35] - Jason Carpenter
Yeah.
[00:11:07.80] - Mitchell Buchanan
Hey, here's, like, the restoration or, like, bring. You know, have. Have this wife come back, this unfaithful wife. But it's, like, processing in our own lives of, like, whether it's something as, you know, like, betrayal or, like, you know, something more extreme or even just like, hey, I feel like I had friends ten years ago. It's like, I don't. I don't talk to these people as much. Like, are they still close and connected with me? It's like, I think processing our lives in a. And I think it's so healthy in, like, interpreting scripture and then, like, really not just, like, reading. It's like, oh, man, that's interesting. But it's, like, attributing how hard it was for hosea, right. And then connecting that with, like, hey, in our lives, it. There's a struggle to actually forgive. There's a struggle that continue to believe or have hope where it's like, you know, when your trust has been broken ten times, or it's like, hey, this hasn't worked out. We've had grand ideas of, like, what we're doing for this trip or this program, and it's like we're really going to grow. And it's like, it doesn't quite turn out. It's like, are we still just resigning ourselves over? It's like, hey, it's not going to work. Or are we believing in that?
[00:12:17.39] - Jason Carpenter
Yeah. And I think even the progression of the verses, it's like the first verse, it's like, come, let us return to the Lord. For it's hedgesthem who has torn. So for, like, the community of Israel, they're perceiving as Yahweh, as, like this active agent causing this suffering because, you know, they get exiled. But what I don't think they're, like, quick to admit is that, man, the covenant formula is very clear. Like, I'll be your God, you'll be my people, if you're careful to obey all my commands, you know? So, like, there is a lot of evidence in scripture to say that they did nothing uphold Israel, did not uphold their side of the covenant, and the consequences are not. It's because they didn't uphold their side of the covenant. While Yahweh is waiting there, he's ready to fulfill his side of the covenant. But then there's like, a progression where it's like, okay, even in the midst of something that can be so terrible, where there is a lot of suffering and loss in the context of war and exile, but there's still, in verse three, this hope piece where it's like, even in the context of all that, you can still say, man, we need to know God, and we need to press on to know him because that's going to be the source of our salvation. And I think that's like, I think it speaks towards the complexity of the human experience where you go through things. I even brought up, like, when I lost my best friend when I was 16. And my first thought was, why God? Why did this happen to me? Like, and I asked God that question, which in retrospect is like, well, who knows? Like, you know, there's any number of things could have contributed to his death in that car accident, right? But in my mind, as a human at 16 years old, I was like, I was ready to say, what do you. Why? Why did this happen? God, you know, and I think that's true about humanity. We have that tendency to look to God for answers. And I think the reality is we know what's required of us. It's to know his word and obey it. And the consequences of not doing that is something like exile. You don't get to experience the presence.
[00:14:24.96] - Mitchell Buchanan
Of God, right, where it's not just the results of not living out God's commands and trusting him. The results isn't just like, bad things will happen to you. It's like bad things will happen all the time, no matter what. We're gonna have those. It's like, will you have the presence of the Lord with you or not? Which is, it's something like you don't really, I think, feel the weight of until you're in exile, you know, it's like you don't feel like, hey, you're maybe, like, taking for granted that it's gonna be there, but it's like, I don't think even feeling, you know, those moments where you're, you know, you're saying, like, your best friend passed away and then it's like, immediately, like, you're cut. It's like I don't feel God's presence. Like, where are you and why did this happen? It's like, I think when we're connected to the Lord and fulfilling our side of the, of the covenant, even when things go bad, our faith is still in the Lord, in the Lord, and, like, we still have a grounding and, like, hey, I'm not looking for answers in places I can't find them. Like, I'm not in a place where I, you know, intrapersonally, I can't comprehend, like, where's my role in the world? What does God have is doing? It's like I still know what is my calling. Like, I am to serve. I'm to, like, you know, live out God's word. It's like there's a, I think just having that unshakable grounding there. And, like, in upholding our covenant where it's like, think without that, life quickly becomes like, hey, you know, ecclesiastes, you see, like, everything is foolish.
[00:16:07.98] - Jason Carpenter
Yeah.
[00:16:08.45] - Mitchell Buchanan
You know, it's just like everything we've already been down this road. Like, death is gonna win. It's like, why do we even fight? It's like you get these really deterministic thoughts that, like, kind of just shuts off. Like, what is possible in the world.
[00:16:19.12] - Jason Carpenter
Yeah, because you don't see hosea, like, pulling the plug on this thing. He's like, look, we screwed up. Sorry, broke the covenant. It's all over. Go home. You know, it's like we don't see that.
[00:16:29.50] - Mitchell Buchanan
I actually like you as a Jose. I can see you do this haircut, like, okay, okay. The attitude.
[00:16:34.75] - Jason Carpenter
Thanks, man.
[00:16:35.49] - Mitchell Buchanan
I could see you being a real life hosea, man.
[00:16:37.71] - Jason Carpenter
Well, okay. That's a heavy calling, I think. But, yeah, my point is, like, you don't see Hosea being like, yeah, I guess we messed up. It's all over. You don't see that. You see him being like, look, we need to return to the Lord. As complicated as that is. We need to. And then I even made reference in my sermon to Ezekiel being like, dude, there's dry bones in the valley. Like, death is there in the valley. But if we could get access to God's presence and his spirit and his word, those bones could have flesh put back on them. That's an intense belief in restoration, like redemption. And in the end, I ended up bringing up Jesus in the garden, being like, man, if this cup could pass for me, that would be great. But if it can't, not my will.
[00:17:25.18] - Mitchell Buchanan
But your will, right?
[00:17:26.30] - Jason Carpenter
And it's like, you're right. You don't feel that reality until you're in the exile in the moment where you're like, man, this is bad. Like, bad for me. But I have to believe that God, what God says is true. And that's also what kind of makes me sad about the book of Hosea is like, they'll even specifically note that it's the fault of the priesthood and the educators in the community that the people are suffering because they suffer for a lack of knowledge of God's word. So it's like, it's rough, man. If people don't have access to God's word and education to understand it and how to apply it to their lives, they don't get to experience the presence of God, you know? So it's like, man, that's a big responsibility. And again, that doesn't happen as an individual. It has to be a communal consideration.
[00:18:15.53] - Mitchell Buchanan
Yeah, and even I think your sermon, you went through so many, like, personal stories, and I think community of people that we've. We've lost. And I think a statement you made at the end is that I think after you kind of went through those, it's like, hey, like, death is always near, and it's like they're. And really what we're left with is that drive from Hosea. Like, hey, even. Even despite. Even in the midst, like, return to the Lord. And it's like, I think we're kind of left with that choice, which there's, you know, so many people who are closer. You know, the most recent one is probably, like, Rob, that were closer with him. You see them even on Instagram or just in person, like, kind of still processing through loss and grief and death. And it's like, I think knowing that so many of those are connected with scriptures, like, you know, posting, like, scriptures of where they're close, but just knowing that, like, there is, because death is always near to all of us in one form or another, there's almost that matrix red pill, blue pill choice where it's like, hey, do we just kind of become fixated and given to this power of death? Where it's like, hey, it has a literal effect on how we carry ourselves, our soma, how we interact with those around us and trust people. And it's like, it. Or are we going to, like, look at those dry bones and say, like, no, I believe in the Lord so much. And it's like, I know I can testify to how real the Lord is. Like, we can put flesh back on those bones. Like, I can see a resurrection of life on the other side of, like, these experiences. And it's something that I think we have been working out in real time the last several years. And it's like, it's not as if, hey, every. Everyone has responded perfect where it's like, we know what we're doing, but I think at least giving some more distance from, I think Rob's passing, Steph's shortly, you know, before his. It's like getting some more distance and just trying to think through. Like, when we grieve, when we are processing, it's like, I think we all. It's such a human experience, right? Hosea is so visceral. It is so, like, kind of, like, in your face of, like, you can't avoid death. So it's like, hey, believe in resurrection. Don't be sad. It's like, that's nowhere in Hosea. It's like we're in the muck of, like, a messy life, and it's like, which I think life is so messy, particularly when it's like we're in that darkness which we can't avoid. So then it's like, in the midst of that, still having, I think, a strength of spirit and ultimately just, like, confidence, I'm. That God's word is rooted in me, and that's going to come out.
[00:20:56.34] - Jason Carpenter
Yeah, for sure, dude. Yeah. I mean, Hosea is convinced. He's as sure as the dawn, he will come to us. Like showers, like spring rains that water the earth. It's like he doesn't doubt that God will return, you know? And that reminded me of the imagery, like in psalms of a tree that's planted by water, even though it would go through a drought, it will still have access to life that will allow it to bear fruit. Or, like, the house that's built on the stone versus built on the sandhennead. They experience the same storms that the house built on the stone is able to stand. So, like, having access to God and his word doesn't exempt you of the hardship of a drought or a storm, but it does allow you to be planted by a stream or built your house built on a rock so that you'll endure those storms and still bear fruit for God. So that's, like, a nice thing to say. It's easy to say it in a couple sentences, but when you experience it in your life, it's pretty challenging.
[00:21:53.05] - Mitchell Buchanan
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's. It's for sure one of those things where it's like, the truth can be succinct. And then I think living it out is expansive.
[00:22:02.73] - Jason Carpenter
It's like, yeah, because, I mean, we're humans. We got limitations, dude. Like, we go through stuff, and it's like, man, that actually changed my ability to process stress, because now, anytime I feel stressed, I think about this traumatic moment, you know? And it's like, yeah, I have, like, me and my friends, I know, like, struggle, man, because of the experiences they've had. And. And I'm like, that's real. You can't discount that. And you can't just be like, it's okay, resurrection Sunday. You know? It's like, you have to actually dig into that and, like, find God in the midst of exile, in the midst of that challenging circumstance.
[00:22:38.99] - Mitchell Buchanan
I think collectively, for our church community, I think, yeah, I'll just speak to myself, like, you again, in conversation with Heather, with Tara, with Greg, with people that are really going through it. Like, I'm obviously, I think, aware. And then people, like, post will be made of. Like, I think we're just working through those. And then, you know, for me, it's just. I'm often, like, the joyful kind of. Like, I'll make the, you know, slightly more inappropriate joke, but it'll be fun, you know? But that's. I kind of see that as, like, you know, that's my role in a lot of ways where it's like, I bring a light hardness. So, you know, that is. I've excused myself from even be like, hey, how, like, how are you doing? Like, can I uplift you? Where it's like, I think, how do we work out? It's like, we can't. No one can stay in a place where it's just like, hey, I'm overcome by this in moments. Are we overcome? Like, certainly. It's like, yeah, I haven't even. I've not even been that close to death, so it's like, it's easy to have a perspective on this side, but it's like, I think from this scripture, like, collectively, like, this isn't, you know, Heather's path to walk cause she lost her husband, or this isn't Grant's path to walk cause he lost his wife. It's like, no, no. We need to figure out collectively how. And for me, like, I'm saying, it's like, I've rarely had conversations with Heather or grant where I'm like, how can I support you? How things are going? I'm not extremely close to them as, like, friends, but is that good? Is it just like, hey, I see posts about it, and it's like, I support you from a distance. I'll give, like, a heart. But it's like, is that even enough? Or is it like, should there be, like, words that we can give ways that we can build up where it's like, hey, we can't let someone endure that alone. Or the path that we see in Jose isn't just be like, hey, we become fixated on this moment where it's like we're just looking at dry bones. It's like we need to, you know, in whatever way, build that up. It's like, I think it's been a colossal learning experience last several years, and I hope we can, I think, collectively put words to it of, like, hey, was this beneficial? Or it's like, hey, even this year, many years are moved. Like, Grant, like, where are you at now? What would you want to see us do for someone else who passes, you know, next year? It's like, I don't know those answers, but it feels like where I've kind of, like, waited. Like, I'm on, like, the waves, and I'm just like, you know, like, being around. Like, I think Grant's cool. He seems steady, but it's like, I don't know what to say, you know? And it's like you're in those moments as a community. So I just kind of wanted to speak to that, where it feels like we have a responsibility as a church to make sure we're in this together.
[00:25:28.25] - Jason Carpenter
Yeah.
[00:25:28.54] - Mitchell Buchanan
Like, you know, we're nothing going through exile, not even, like, strictly a death, a passing. But it's like you're in a dark depression. You're in, like, you know, financial crisis. Like, we're not letting anyone walk through, like, these periods of darkness alone. So it's like, this has to be a collective.
[00:25:42.96] - Jason Carpenter
Yep.
[00:25:43.45] - Mitchell Buchanan
And then I think we have to have such a word in us where it's, like, even in the darkest moments, like, how do we work together to show, like, no. Like, we aren't stuck here. We're, like, we're pushing forward to, like, you know, life for sure.
[00:25:57.57] - Jason Carpenter
Yeah. I mean, you know, if one member of our body suffers, the whole body, you know, is affected. So we do have a responsibility to restore those people to their function in the body. And I don't know. I don't have, like, an answer for that necessarily, but I do know that I'm blessed by people like Grant, Heather, and Greg, and people that were close to rob and steph and misses g to know that, like, right. They're very open, and, like, if you're ever, like, wanting to ask, how you doing with this? You know, it's like, I think they would prefer the direct interactions versus just being quiet, you know?
[00:26:35.24] - Mitchell Buchanan
Yeah.
[00:26:35.59] - Jason Carpenter
Because just being quiet, who knows? Like, you could be assuming Grant seems like he's doing good, but maybe he's not. Like, maybe he needs somebody to be like, dude, what's going on? You know? But Grant's probably fine, right?
[00:26:48.25] - Mitchell Buchanan
I'm not gonna talk to him about it. No. And I'm kind of just admitting that here where it's, like, I feel like I probably haven't done as well through that in a way. Not that it's like I. Not that I have a ton more to process or, like, hey, I am. I, like, in a position personally, but it's like, as a friend, as someone who can, like, I think, what can I do to help build. Build up, like, those people and just to not be like, hey, this is your, you know, like, Frodo. This is your ring to bear. Like, you know, it's like, I can be a Sam wise in a lot of ways, and it's like, hey, I don't know what it's like to carry that. And it's like, I'm not in that spot, but it's like, that doesn't mean you should always be there alone. It's like we have a confidence of God's word. That's, like, that can't be the case.
[00:27:36.79] - Jason Carpenter
Yeah. And I think everyone has to do it according to the portion of faith they've been given, which, you know, everyone's different, dude. So that's why we need everyone to do it in the way that God created them. Like, it'd be weird for me to. To tell you you should do it. Like, I do it where I'm, like, all emotional, vulnerable and, like, whatever. I think you should do it the way that God has, like, gifted you.
[00:27:55.89] - Mitchell Buchanan
To do it, you know, and it feels like our. The choice, like, where we don't want to be is like, you know, you're. You know, your dad has passed, and I'm so close to you. I'm like, Jason, it's okay. Like, you know, kind of like saying, like, hey, just stay here. It's fine. I know this is, like, the hardest thing or on the callous end where it's like, dude, shouldn't they be over that by now? Like, hey, like, it's been a while. Like, this should be fixed, you know? It's like, neither of those are truly helpful, I think, in a way that's at least biblically centered, where it's, like, emotionally enabling, you know, to where it's like, hey, I know, you know, for me, I failed more classes than I all would say anyone listening to this podcast at the end, super duty. But if someone's like, mitch, dude, you. You try. It's really okay. Let's like, it. Don't let anybody make you feel bad. It's like, you would hate that. Well, you're enabling someone in the, like, in a dark place for me where it's like, hey, I failed over and over. It's like, nothing's getting better to enable me just to be in that. Be like, you know, it's okay. I'm just going to fail. And it's like, that's not helping, right? At the same time, it's not callous of, like, dude, he failed another class. Like, dude, just get him out of here. It's like, this is ridiculous. It's like. And there's a place in between where it's like, we can find this word of God where it's like, hey, how can we be together? And how can we push towards life? And it's like, I think working this out as a church where it's not just like, hey, people are on an island. It's like, I think it's going well, but, like, we all should have that call from the Lord. It's like we feel, you know, even the sensitivity to God's spirit, it's like, hey, like, I was thinking about you, like, do you want to, like, talk through it or it's like, hey, this scripture reminded me. It's like, yeah, and doing what we can. And I think even for, like, heather grant, like, those would be, I think, immeasurably helpful. Like, hey, this is what's helpful. This is what's not. This is where I'm at. This is, like, how I've processed, and it's like, we've not done this before as a community. It's like, I think.
[00:29:47.88] - Jason Carpenter
I mean, it's all awkward, but. And that's why I find. I find a lot of confidence and comfort in going to God's word, because I know that that's right. So if I can find a way to apply God's word to whatever scenario I'm experiencing or my friends are experiencing, I'm good. You know, like, I mean, I have the answers or the advice that helps you, like, succeed in life, but I do have God's word, and I know whether it's, like, a tough pill to swallow or an easy one, you need to swallow it, you know, like, yeah, no, that's.
[00:30:19.63] - Mitchell Buchanan
And again, I think, you know, Jason said in a sermon, hosea's so packed, it feels like we can't unpack all the goodness just from this 30 minutes. But hopefully, right. This is a time to even help provoke some conversations, I think, to where we're at, to push forward, because Jose is such an emotive book, and it's so personal to him, I think, for our church, make this personal. Make this something where it's like, how do I live this out? How am I even walking into dark places in my life? Or I know someone is. And, like, how do we really faithfully stay true to God's word, to God's spirit, and to trust that? It's like, hey, you know, it's gonna be God that mends this. And, like, we have to find that hope piece on the other side.
[00:31:01.39] - Jason Carpenter
Absolutely.
[00:31:03.18] - Mitchell Buchanan
Thanks for listening and taking this time. I hope this, like I said, sparks something. Leave us a review. Five star review, one hundo. Leave us good comments. Chris works his butt off to make these happen, and it's awesome. Chris, the best shout out to Gen media. So thank you all for that. But this is meant to provoke conversations. Hopefully, this will give you something to talk about in your groups the next time you come to church, and then we'll have another great sermon for you. Awesome.
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